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Roadmap for CentiLeo 0.55-0.61
 
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Secondly, are those features are only for cinem4D, does the 3dmax version have different features ?
What i did understand is that there are 2 version, one for 3dmaxc and the other for cinema4D, every one has different features than the other. am i correct ?
The next release 0.58 will be both for 3ds Max and Cinema, the features will be syncrhonized 1:1. Only node-based GUI for Cinema will be done by 0.59. 3ds Max produce node GUI automatically for all kinds of 3rd party materials. But Cinema developers decided to hide this possibility and make node GUI only for own native materials, so we have to re-implement this basic bicycle.

Thanks guys for good wishes! Will do best for next release.
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Roadmap for CentiLeo 0.55-0.61
 
Thanks :) I honestly think we also need Random-Walk SSS too for better precision compared to current ray-traced SSS which has few problems on geometry edges.
As for Maya version, I think the initial version with all basic things (not very deep) and IPR may take around 2 months based on our experience with Max and Cinema. And after that will continue never ending polishing :)
As for round corners - I can't estimate yet. Haven't digged deep into it. But if it would take few days then I may shift it for one of the next releases.
The 0.58 will come very soon (in development since January). The next other 3 releases will be short (around 1-1.5 months). Probably with round corners.
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Roadmap for CentiLeo 0.55-0.61
 
I think not earlier than in 2020. For Maya too. For example right now round corners are not important compared to other things. In the currently developed 0.58 the GI and mesh lights have much less noise. A lot more robust noise situation for given samples count It will be released very soon. Then in 0.59 there will be node based GUI for Cinema (pretty short update). Then in 0.60 there will massive instancing (tens of millions of elements in scene) and hopefuly support for other particle/scatter plugins. And then all the rest, like more flexible AOVs, masks, cryptomattes, vertex attributes, etc. And then Maya!
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Roadmap for CentiLeo 0.55-0.61
 
Hi xxx man, yes round corner is in the plans, deeper plans. And Maya too! Hope to start doing Maya during 0.6x release versions
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Hi Daniel, I know. But there are good reasons for this. Much better noise reduction / per iteration for complex lighting cases. But still need to keep iteration time lower than it was. Pushing this hard!
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Material " Chrome " ...
 
Hi Marc! And welcome here!
After 2 more releases there will be a documentation explaining how to do many things.
Currently I would suggest to make chrome with 2 reflection channels:
Reflection 1: color = white, roughness = 0.2, IOR = 1.3
Reflection 2: color = white, roughness = 0.6, IOR = 1000 (totally outweights all underlying layers like diffuse and others).
You may optionally add scratched bump for Reflection 2 only. Just make bump and uncheck it for Relction 1.
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Ramps and the best channel to put them in
 
Hi Chuck and welcome to CentiLeo forum!
Ramp node is needed to create colored output for black/white Input Texture. For example, you may attach some CentiLeo Noise shader to the "Input Texture" slot of Ramp and then create green, blue, red, yellow, etc knots in the Gradient field of Ramp. You may also add Random shader (uniformly distributed greyscale colors) to the Input Texture of Ramp and create colored knots of Gradient to determine how frequent is red, how frequent is blue, etc. in the variety of objects with attached Ramp + Random shader.
You may also add Fallof shader to the Input Texture of Ramp and make colored knots. This way there will be color variations depeding on the view angle.

Kirill
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Impresions
 
Hi Ikon Art! Welcome to CentiLeo! :)
There is a very outdated documentation in the download archive, but I think it's not needed.
Actually we will update the documentation after 0.60 release when we will get more speed, node-based GUI, more features (particles, attributes, improved displacement).

There are almost no technical render parameters to affect performance except clamping. Other things are automatic. We try to do it simple and make space only for creativity.

Some valuable info:
1) All the used centileo bitmaps construct caches with the names "*.cntx". At the first bitmap usage it takes some time to construct a cache and also disk space, but later after second launch bitmaps are loaded from caches immediatelly. Later will reduce the *.cntx file sizes. They can be removed manually when the work on scene is not needed anymore.
2) Supported GPUs are with CUDA compute capability 3.0 or more, with 3GB or more. More GPU memory is better of course. 8GB+ VRAM is excellent. Geometry is stored very efficiently, also for displacement, there is a lot of space before you meet out-of-core, which is also very efficient.
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CentiLeo for Cinema 4D 0.575 available - many additional shader nodes
 
Change Log: cntlc4d 0.575 alpha (2019 March 30)
[cntlc4d] Fixed crash at Cinema 4D R20.059 launch
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CentiLeo for Cinema 4D 0.575 available - many additional shader nodes
 
Change Log: cntlc4d 0.573 alpha (2019 March 22)
[core] Fixed Windows 10 memory bug which could cause crashes in scenes with a lot of geometry and textures.
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CentiLeo for 3ds Max 0.553 available - displacement mapping!
 
Thanks Daniel, I will dive into these things when will start converting 0.58 release for Max
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Not workin
 
Btw, the new CUDA version of NVIDIA that we use no longer supports GPUs of compute capability 2.0 and 2.1. This means that GTX 480, 580, 560ti and other similar devices are no longer supported. See the full list of devices per compute capability here https://developer.nvidia.com/cuda-gpus
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Not workin
 
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Centileo wether its the bridged r19 or the "legit" r20 release are not working on my r20...0.57


Dont know whats wrong but Cinema is not starting up.
Hi Thomas and welcome here! What are your computer specs?
If this is Windows, Nvidia GPU (with at least 3 GB or even 2 GB) then Cinema may not start if Graphics Drivers are outdated. Please try install new drivers and let me know your results.
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CentiLeo for Cinema 4D 0.575 available - many additional shader nodes
 
Change Log: cntlc4d 0.572 alpha (2019 March 6)
[core] Fixed artifact bug when SSS doesn’t follow motion blur.
[core] Fixed wrong clamping for 16+ bit bitmaps when used for displacement.
[core] Fixed some triplanar mapping artifacts.
[core] Fixed wrong bump mapping over displacement mapping (when bump and displace maps are different).
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cool renderer! some thoughts
 
I have fixed the bug with SSS and motion blur. Will upload today or tomorrow with some other recent bugfixes.
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cool renderer! some thoughts
 
Hi Christopher! And welcome here!

Please, can you upload this file with SSS so I can test it and debug. Just solid light pink and dark pink shouldn't be there?
There shouldn't be anything special with SSS and motion blur. Maybe I have missed inserting time value to some function.
Btw, you can watch how motion blurred object lookd for every time if you change the shutter open/close range (in render settings) from 0..0.5 to the range like 0.3 and 0.3 (just immediate time moment).
There is some limitation for IPR and motion blur: IPR doesn't show more than 4 motion keys in a preview. But if you render from Picture Viewer (or IPR with FIN GEO mode) then you will be able to see all motion blur keys enabled in render settings.

Max ray bounces - limits the total bounces of light path travel in the scene (from camera to light).
Max diffuse bounces - limits bounces from surfaces with non-zero roughness. These 2 settings may be valuable for example when you limit the "Max diffuse bounces" but have a glass object with internal reflections and refractions and for this you increase "Max ray bounces" and get deeper render result and slower render only for this object but not for the rest.

Depth of Field is moving to camera. Focus distance is controlled from camera object. The rest things (like sensor width, blades) will land there too once I dig there again.

Caustics are currently blurred. However what you see around semi-transparent objects is not caustics but a fake transmission with forced IOR = 1 (for faster render in general case). Real precise caustics and dispercion will be addressed later when other production features will be implemented.

Metropolis is currently not used internally. But it was in the past. Even after all improvements that we did for it there are still so many problems for animation, motion blur, slower for everyday production scenes, many ray bounces and etc. We will continue to investigate though.
Anyway, the next 0.58 is about render time optimizations, so stay tuned :)
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CentiLeo for 3ds Max 0.553 available - displacement mapping!
 
Hi Daniel! Thanks for reporting a bug. I know there are some scaling problems on 4K and I know some others too. Will fix this.
CentiLeo Light - is the right choice. It unites the other lights. But other (depr) lights are "deprecated". They will be removed, so they should be avoided.
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CentiLeo for 3ds Max 0.553 available - displacement mapping!
 
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Hi Does it work with RTX cards yet?

//Daniel
Hi Daniel, I heard some user tested CentiLeo with RTX 2080 and it was working faster than with older GPUs. But I haven't tested personally, still using 970 and 1070.
As for RTX rays acceleration hardware feature - not supported. At the current state of RTX ray acceleration feature - it may be not compatible with some current and future CentiLeo features.
Btw, I will update CentiLeo for Max at the next 0.58 release :)
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CentiLeo for Cinema 4D 0.575 available - many additional shader nodes
 
Hi Carl! And welcome here!
One of my development setup is a bit worse, 32GB RAM and 3x 970GTX. It's rarely have sluggy perf in IPR.
What kind of scene do you have? Polycounts, textures? Do you use some physical simulators at the same time?
It can be the case if you run several programs that use GPU somehow and they cut GPU resources step by step. And then you enter CentiLeo and it takes some resources too. When there are too small resources it may have some problems. For example, when you are in IPR right-click on mouse and see what GPUs are actually running, what percent of total work each GPU is doing (number next to GPU name), and how the GPU memory is arranged (for textures/geometry and rays). Maybe a screenshot may give me some info.

One option to fix that is to go to Render Settings -> Tab Hardware Settings. There you may enable/disable the GPUs for your scene. And also you may enable/disable "low priority" mode. For example, try to disable the monitor GPU and leave all others for render. Or try to enable "low priority" for monitor GPU and disable "low priority" for all others.

Anyway, there is a big optimization ongoing work for the next 0.58 release. Our internal GPU kernels will become lightweight and faster. This should help a lot not only for general render speed but also for IPR responsiveness. So, stay tuned, in few months there will be an update :)
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CentiLeo for 3ds Max 0.553 available - displacement mapping!
 
Change Log: cntlmax 0.553 alpha (2018 December 28)
[cntlmax] Added 3ds max 2019 support.
[cntlmax] Fixed crash bugs for animation rendering of objects with Greeble modifier.

Will update CentiLeo for 3ds Max on 0.58 release with new shaders and render speed optimizations.
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CentiLeo for Cinema 4D 0.575 available - many additional shader nodes
 
Don't worry, I will fix the issue. It happend because I tried to fix some aritifacts with dispalement for 8-bit images where almost white values created displacemnt aliasing. That fix shoudn't be enabled for 16-bit images. Simple :)
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CentiLeo for Cinema 4D 0.575 available - many additional shader nodes
 
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it seems something wrong in Displacement .
and also try to multiply the bitmap in photoshop by value 0.9 or 0.95. It will lower all peaks and they will not be clamped here. Is it jpg or other 8 bit image?
you may increase the values later in a bitmap shader or by displacement height scale.
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CentiLeo for Cinema 4D 0.575 available - many additional shader nodes
 
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it seems something wrong in Displacement .
Hi Aimar, I probably guess what's the problem. Please, can you send me a bitmap for some tests? To info@centileo.com or here
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CentiLeo for Cinema 4D 0.575 available - many additional shader nodes
 
CentiLeo 0.571: Fixed focus distance bug on camera object when CentiLeo camera tag is assigned.
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CentiLeo for 3ds Max 0.553 available - displacement mapping!
 
Hi Ali, sorry for missed reply. I will update next time on 0.61. Scroll up to to see the reasons explained to Daniel. Now we need more speed and better instancing. That's an absolute must have.
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CentiLeo for Cinema 4D 0.575 available - many additional shader nodes
 
Hello everyone!

We now release an update CentiLeo 0.57 for Cinema 4D R16-R20. The new release adds flexible UVW Projection, Transform and Distortion shader nodes in the manner of Cinema R20. UVW nodes add a lot of flexibility in combination with Bitmaps. Also added easy to setu[ Flakes and Scratches shader nodes for procedural imperfections. Improved Random and Triplanar shaders. Added other usefull shaders like Patterns, Layer, Ramp, Curve Map, Remap, Wire, Side. The other shader nodes are also improved.
We will work on the render speed optimizations for the next release.

Please, test it and share your opinion!
Best regards,
Kirgman

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Change Log: cntlc4d 0.575 alpha (2019 March 30)
[cntlc4d] Fixed crash at Cinema 4D R20.059 launch for some other events. The older Cinema R20 builds don’t need this fix.

Change Log: cntlc4d 0.574 alpha (2019 March 28)
[cntlc4d] Fixed crash at Cinema 4D R20.059 launch (just updated to the modified C4D SDK). The older Cinema R20 builds don’t need this fix.

Change Log: cntlc4d 0.573 alpha (2019 March 22)
[core] Fixed Windows 10 memory bug which could cause crashes in scenes with a lot of geometry and textures.
[note] A user can remove texture cache files *.mctx because in new version the texture caches of other bugfixed format with names *.cntx will be auto-generated.

Change Log: cntlc4d 0.572 alpha (2019 March 6)
[core] Fixed artifact bug when SSS doesn’t follow motion blur.
[core] Fixed wrong clamping for 16+ bit bitmaps when used for displacement.
[core] Fixed some triplanar mapping artifacts.
[core] Fixed wrong bump mapping over displacement mapping (when bump and displace maps are different).

Change Log: cntlc4d 0.571 alpha (2018 December 20)
[cntlc4d] Fixed focus distance bug on camera object when CentiLeo camera tag is assigned.

Change Log: cntlc4d 0.570 alpha (2018 December 19)
[core] New UVW Projection node supporting up to 4 UVW tags (mesh uv), spherical, cylindrical, cubic, flat, flat side, spatial and XYZ texture mapping coordinates. Texture coordinate system can be further manipulated (offset, scale, rotation) in the same way as Coordinates Tab of Texture Tag or UVW Projection node of Cinema R20. Offset, scale and rotation can be textured. Procedural texture coordinates are currently determined in the Texture Tag space (related to the object where it is assigned).
[core] New UVW Transform node which performs further manipulations on projected texture coordinates in the same way as the similar node of Cinema R20. Supported manipulations are offset, scale, rotation, pivot, rand offset, repetitions - these parameters can be textured.
[core] Rand offset of UVW Transform generates random texture coordinate offsets inside each tile (useful to break repeating patterns of the tiled bitmaps).
[core] Decals or labels can be easily done using Decal checkbox in UVW Transform node connected to the Bitmap where the color of non-decal area is specified by “out of UVW” parameter.
[core] New UVW Distortion node which manipulates the input projected texture coordinates based on distortion scale and amount. Both parameters can be textured.
[core] Triplanar shader node now supports the input for UVW Projection which can specify the orientation of 3 planar projections.
[core] Bitmap node now supports crop, triplanar projection and custom UVW coordinates.
[core] Noise node now supports Voronoi F1, F2, F3, F4 and F2-F1 patterns. Also added Woody and Cell noise types. Added option for Noise output quantization.
[core] New Pattern node supporting few different wave patterns and checker.
[core] New procedural Scratches node which can easily add random scratch imperfections to material bump maps.
[core] Improved Random shader node with new option “Randomize by Object parts”. This option generates random output colors for the different parts for the single object. The object part is a region without polygon connections to other object parts.
[core] New Ramp node which can produce different colors based on the grayscale Input Map values and configuration of the Gradient knots. Up to 30 Gradient Knot values can be textured to produce flexible customization for the output.
[core] New procedural Flakes node which can easily add random metallic flakes to materials. This node may produce bump map if attached to Bump parameter. It can produce colored flakes too if the Flakes node is connected to the colored Ramp node and the Flakes Output mode is Flake IDs (flake ids produces random grayscale flakes).
[core] New Layer shader node which can combine up to 7 layers using different mixing modes (like Photoshop) where each layer has a color and mask.
[core] New Curve Map node which can change the values of Input Map to the different output based on the curve knots configuration.
[core] New Remap node which can change each channel of the Input Map from one range of values to the other range of values using the linear scaling.
[core] New Surface Wire node which highlights the edges of object triangles.
[core] New Surface Side node which helps making different output for Front/Back surface sides.
[core] Fixed some rare issues when black and white bump map and normal map are combined.
[core] Added support for different Anisotropy tangents for Reflection1 and Reflection2. Also added improved cylindrical option for procedural anisotropy tangent.
[cntlc4d] Improved GUI for materials and shaders. E.g. the edit button doesn’t jump down when the shader is unrolled.
[cntlc4d] The Coordinates Tab and projection types of Texture Tag are supported (except of camera based projections).
[cntlc4d] CentiLeo Bitmaps and Environment maps are now collected correctly when the project is saved with the assets.
[cntlc4d] Fixed cloner object parsing issues which produced wrong scenes for CentiLeo.
[cntlc4d] Scene parsing now accounts for Cinema layer visibility changes.
[cntlc4d] Bitmap reset cache button is back.

Known issues to be solved
- May not initialize if AMD GPU is in your computer together with NVIDIA GPU.
- Very limited scene converter tool from Cinema 4D native materials (only diffuse color and texture are converted and translated if assigned to the object)
- May not support non-latin texture paths.

Important note
We are currently using JUCE library (https://juce.com/) for IPR GUI under Personal license (which is free) for initial testing purpose. In IPR window it will show in the right bottom corner a splash screen for the first start and it dissapears in few sec. It may also connect to Google Analytics to collect end-user stats. Juce guys claim this is nothing bad but stats collection so they know who is using them. However, the plugin works perfectly without any Internet connection.
If everything works well on main technical side then we will buy the full license of JUCE and get rid of these small issues.
Edited: Kirgman - 30.03.2019 16:14:16 (Update 0.572 with bugfixes)
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CentiLeo for 3ds Max 0.553 available - displacement mapping!
 
Hi Daniel, some quick news:
There will be centileo 0.57 for Cinema with many (10+) new shaders/textures in around 2 weeks (maybe less). Another super important release 0.58 will come at around the beginning of January. And also for Cinema only.
As for CentiLeo to 3ds Max plugin then the next update will be 0.61 in around half a year since now. After 0.61 both plugin updates (for c4d and max) will come together at the same time. And it will be easier to maintain them. The reason is that I want to develop core CentiLeo features (shaders, procedurals, optimizations) as fast as possible while 3ds max GUI writting is long (but Cinema's is easy and requires almost no time).
0.61 will contain many standard shaders/textures (procedural mappings and noises), attributes support (per vertex, per instance), further improved displacement mapping, geometry scattering, true massive instancing (for particles and etc), better color output (and tonemapping) and faster. It will be a very cool and usable rendering arsenal, better than others.
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CentiLeo for 3ds Max 0.553 available - displacement mapping!
 
Do you mean animated DoF focus? Right now it works statically but because of bug dousn't record param values on animation. Will fix that by next release together with other big improvements.
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CentiLeo for 3ds Max 0.553 available - displacement mapping!
 
bump + blend in 0.55 no problem when mixed.
However it looks better in 0.56 for C4D :)

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Well, the hair shouldn't work. We don't yet have spline intersection support. It was just the triangulation of hairs by 3ds max that CentiLeo is ordering. There should be considerably more efforts to make the spline rendering right and that would be cool and much more efficient than triangles.
Will test the bump + blend map and get back to you.
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